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Deviating from Partnership Agreements ( 17:46:49 TueJun 11 2002 )

I discovered the following quotation, attributed to Edgar Kaplan, on the internet:

"Having an agreement with one's partner does not create an ironclad contract with one's opponents."

(This is similar to a saying attributed to Terence Reese: "A convention in bidding is an agreement between partners, not an undertaking to opponents.")

I'm curious, first, if anyone can authenticate that Kaplan actually spoke or wrote these words attributed to him.

More importantly, is the assertion made in this pungent citation consistent with the Laws?

In the absence of explicit discussion, how many times may someone depart from a partnership agreement before one is considered to have established a new implicit agreement?

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Ed

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Re: Deviating from Partnership Agreements ( 23:59:24 TueJun 11 2002 )

I've heard both those quotes before, too, but I can't say I know whence they come.

The assertion is most certainly in accordance with the laws. "A player may make any call or play (including an intentionally misleading call - such as a psychic bid - or a call or play that departs from commonly accepted, or previously announced, use of a convention), without prior announcement, provided that such call or play is not based on a partnership understanding." -- Law 40A.

There is no firm guidance of which I'm aware as to when a usage becomes an implicit agreement. I've heard some people say once is enough, but I don't buy that. Three times may be enough, unless they occur at long intervals. "In 1990 and 1995 partner made this call, and both times he had X" does not, IMO, make it an agreement. But as there's no firm guidance, I would imagine a TD will do the best he can, and an appeals committee might or might not agree with him.

  
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Re: Deviating from Partnership Agreements ( 00:58:42 WedJun 12 2002 )

I have not heard the quote from Kaplan, but i have heard Reese's one attributed to Kaplan. However, I have read Reese's quote in a book by reese sometime. I am not sure, but I think the quote may just be Reese's and word of mouth has got it wrong. :sheep:

The only other thing I would add to Ed's reply is that we now have all major authorities accepting that one occasion does not make an agreement.



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Re: Deviating from Partnership Agreements ( 03:49:34 WedJun 12 2002 )

David, when you say "all major authorities," could you elaborate on this, please. Thanks!

  
bluejak

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Re: Deviating from Partnership Agreements ( 01:16:22 FriJun 14 2002 )

The ACBL have said that one occasion does not make an agreement,and they were the authority that seemed previously to thinks so. Certainly some ACBL TDs in the past have told a pair who psyched that they now have an agreement for the rest of their lives, which is silly.

The WBF Laws Commission have made it clear somewhere in their writing.

I know of no authority now that suggests one occasion makes an agreement.



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